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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 7, 2015 21:52:50 GMT
I have been thinking about our farms, here's an idea I had:
15 player maximum Maximum 82 GP for players Maximum 40 GP for goalies First come, first serve on Fantrax Always use ELC/current contract
So if you see someone you like and no one has claimed him, you add him on Fantrax to your farm. Any player under 82GP just uses their current contract (ELC or in the case of Russian covnerts, whatever they sign for). One they are past their eligibility, and their contract ends, you must sign them just like we have to with other players.
Fantrax has a report you can find that says which teams have players over the eligibility conditions. Everyone gets a warning email 2 days in advance, and then have their ineligible famr players dropped to the free agent market.
This is just an idea, let me know if anyone has any different plans. I am not a fan of a minors salary cap, but if I am alone, we'll just keep that system. My biggest beef is that it hampers those who have high end picks or players with heavier ELC's. A player with 925,000 takes up almost twice the room a player with 535,000 takes up, so that owner would have a smaller farm.
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Post by Canes GM (Devin) on Aug 8, 2015 0:13:46 GMT
I don't think it should be first come first serve.
If you see a player you want then you must make a thread for them and a bid and your bid must be the highest bid for 24 hours in order to win the player.
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 8, 2015 0:43:36 GMT
I don't think it should be first come first serve. If you see a player you want then you must make a thread for them and a bid and your bid must be the highest bid for 24 hours in order to win the player. Problem with that is if someone is taking the time to find players, everyone else can sit back and wait then bid on players the others dig up. I love finding a guy and then snapping him up. Approve 1-0
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Post by Canes GM (Devin) on Aug 8, 2015 0:53:41 GMT
The problem with doing it the way you suggested is that someone can just sit on fantrax for 2 hours straight and just snap up players left and right and that doesn't give other teams the opportunity to land players.
Trust me I know where you are coming from because in my other league I have found some gems that I know not many people knew about and next thing I know people are bidding on the player.
I want this league to be fair for everyone and everyone have the opportunity. Most times if you find a player and post a bid and not many people know who the player is then they will not get bid on.
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 8, 2015 1:02:20 GMT
It gives them a chance to research and then compete for the player. What's wrong with people snapping up players? The farms only have 15 spots. Once the farms are established, there won't be that much movement. The best guys will already be taken.
The beauty is when you find a guy here or there that's available. If people are bidding, they can sit back and bid and never take the time to do their own research.
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Post by Penguins GM (Pat) on Aug 8, 2015 1:08:54 GMT
Strongly against the "first come first served" aspect of this. Disapprove
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 8, 2015 1:15:40 GMT
Strongly against the "first come first served" aspect of this. Disapprove (1-1) How about a waiver system. Everyone has a couple of days to claim the player, but it also eliminates the strategy of sitting back and waiting for others to find good prospects for you.
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Post by Penguins GM (Pat) on Aug 8, 2015 1:24:00 GMT
That sounds like something that could work
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Post by Oilers GM (Julian) on Aug 8, 2015 12:51:54 GMT
Disapprove (1-2)
While I feel our farm structure definitely needs to be improved, this is not the right direction for this league in my opinion.
While I don't want to discount suggesting rule changes and make your voices heard, I highly suggest waiting for the league to start before suggesting these major rule changes. Its much easier to improve a structure when you understand how it works through-and-through. (We already have a waiver system)
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Post by Sabres GM (Andrew) on Aug 8, 2015 13:10:17 GMT
Disapprove (1-3)
I share the same thoughts as Julian on this.
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Post by ltcompton(SharksGM) on Aug 8, 2015 18:33:26 GMT
This is a deep league, lots of teams, so the minors system should mirror the NHL, for a total of 53 contracts including starters, reserves & minors, then using a waiver system to pick up free agents. That would make the minors about 23-25 players instead of 15, which is too few, as an example, just about every NHL team has 5-7 goalie prospects alone. You need to be able to build depth at all positions and 15 isn't nearly enough
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Post by ltcompton(SharksGM) on Aug 8, 2015 18:35:16 GMT
So that's a disapproval,
My proposal
25 player minors 82 games for skaters 40 games for goalies Waivers for free agents
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 8, 2015 18:36:05 GMT
This is a deep league, lots of teams, so the minors system should mirror the NHL, for a total of 53 contracts including starters, reserves & minors, then using a waiver system to pick up free agents. That would make the minors about 23-25 players instead of 15, which is too few, as an example, just about every NHL team has 5-7 goalie prospects alone. You need to be able to build depth at all positions and 15 isn't nearly enough I agree and love the way you propose. Right now the farms can only hold 10 decent prospects. I originally said 20 but got rebuff in the don't box from a couple members.
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 8, 2015 18:38:59 GMT
Agreed, a better farm system is necessary for a league this size.
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Post by Oilers GM (Julian) on Aug 8, 2015 18:48:45 GMT
25 player minors - Definitely down for this 82 games for skaters - This is already in the rules 40 games for goalies - I'm on the fence with this, I would keep it at 82 personally. Waivers for free agents - Free agents are free, any GM can bid on them and the highest bidder wins. There is a 3-day waiver wire when a GM drops a player though.
Overall I think what would fix these issues is a bigger salary cap for the minors.
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 8, 2015 19:00:16 GMT
25 player minors - Definitely down for this 82 games for skaters - This is already in the rules 40 games for goalies - I'm on the fence with this, I would keep it at 82 personally. Waivers for free agents - Free agents are free, any GM can bid on them and the highest bidder wins. There is a 3-day waiver wire when a GM drops a player though. Overall I think what would fix these issues is a bigger salary cap for the minors. I'm open to changes to the cap too Julian. Definitely need more room, without it 3rd round picks will lose their value.
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Post by Canes GM (Devin) on Aug 8, 2015 19:13:06 GMT
I personally feel like 25 players per team is way too many. We are talking about 600 players for the whole league. There aren't 600 players worth garnering a minors spot. When we get that deep we are starting to pick up players who will be career AHL guys.
Even in the real NHL the % of 2nd round picks that actually makes the NHL and spends significant time there drops off pretty quickly. I just don't see the point of making it that deep.
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Post by Canes GM (Devin) on Aug 8, 2015 19:16:40 GMT
Only a 34% chance that a player chosen in the 2nd round plays at least 100 games.
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 8, 2015 19:18:59 GMT
Only a 34% chance that a player chosen in the 2nd round plays at least 100 games. I honestly don't see why this even matters. Some of us have fun building farms and taking chances on guys. The fact that they may or may not make it shouldn't be relevant.
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Post by Canes GM (Devin) on Aug 8, 2015 19:20:53 GMT
You still have plenty of room to "take chances" on players with minors at 15 players
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Post by ltcompton(SharksGM) on Aug 8, 2015 23:16:35 GMT
You still have plenty of room to "take chances" on players with minors at 15 players I disagree with this, deeper draft choices and trying to build minors depth isn't possible with 15 minors, each team should have the ability to be 5 players deep at each position in their minors system (RD, LD, C, LW, RW, G). Plus, deeper minors encourages greater participation through draft research and we can have our entry drafts be 7 rounds just like the NHL. It will make it a better, more realistic league.
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Post by Canes GM (Devin) on Aug 8, 2015 23:27:14 GMT
It is definitely doable. I'm in another league and we just increased to 10 minors spots. It is only an 18 team league and the prospects still left out there is getting pretty slim.
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Post by Canes GM (Devin) on Aug 8, 2015 23:29:12 GMT
We definitely shouldn't do a 7 round entry draft. You guys will find out that a majority of the time you know within a year or 2 if your 3rd round pick is even worth keeping around. I don't see a need to go 7 rounds. Agin, at this point we are just drafting guys to draft guys. These players will hardly ever make any kind of impact in the NHL let alone our league.
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Post by Canes GM (Devin) on Aug 8, 2015 23:30:20 GMT
I was in one league that had like 30 minors spots and it was a joke. People were signing players who were undrafted NCAA players. It's just a waste of time.
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 8, 2015 23:32:28 GMT
It is definitely doable. I'm in another league and we just increased to 10 minors spots. It is only an 18 team league and the prospects still left out there is getting pretty slim. I'm in a league with 20 teams and 20 farm slots. Last year I picked up Sadowy off waivers, and no one had even heard of him. Now I am constantly getting offers for him and will likely move him for a vet wing. It's pretty awesome to find a guy through research that no one else has and to watch him rocket in value. This is my gripe with the bidding process but I guess that's a different issue. I don't like that I can do the work and someone can sit and wait and have names handed to them on a silver platter.
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