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Post by MinnesotaGM on Aug 4, 2015 19:03:42 GMT
I would like to bring up a suggested rule change, in that we should go by a player's individual cap hit as opposed to their retained salary cap, and would move to make generalfanager as the go-to for cap questions;In my travels, I have found it is not what capgeek was to me, but the closest I'm going to get. However, I propose this should not go into effect until the year upcoming, as the rules clearly stated and teams were drafting accordingly, therefore they should not be punished for this year's successes or failures because the rules were misconstrued. I bring this up though, simply because I feel it would add to the fantasy of managing the cap as a GM in the IFHA. Thoughts, fellow GM's?
Phil
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 4, 2015 19:11:21 GMT
I agree, and I think it should go into effect immediately.
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Post by St.Pats GM (Christian) on Aug 4, 2015 19:40:15 GMT
I agree with the proposed change and am of the opinion that if passed, should be put in use for the following season. Mid draft as we are, don't want to hinder and ruin someone's approach just because they followed set of rules already in place.
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Post by Sabres GM (Andrew) on Aug 4, 2015 19:40:54 GMT
The thing is we wont have a need for the use of general fanager after this draft. All future contracts via UFA/RFA are completed through a bidding process, and any contract extensions are written up by yourself. Really the only time we need a website like general fanager (or any website in general with NHL salary cap info) is for the expansion.
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Post by Habs GM (Loïk) on Aug 4, 2015 19:42:02 GMT
I would be in favor of having the total cap hit right now, but I'm not against the fact that it could start only next season due to the fact that we're mid-draft.
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Post by Blues GM (Trent) on Aug 4, 2015 19:50:42 GMT
Like Buffalo said, it won't be needed next season because we will be creating our own contracts. Thus, I think we should just leave it how it is because it wouldn't seem right to have Kessel and Lucic on cheaper contracts, but if passed other guys would then be on their actual larger contract if they had salary retained by another team.
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 4, 2015 20:02:34 GMT
It's a bit frustrating because I definitely would have valued those guys differently if I had known. I knew we were using Hockey buzz but I thought we would be using individuals contracts, not current team's cap hit. I've never seen any league use that cap hit rather than the contract cap hit before.
I don't see why we would ignore the retained part of the salary. Not trying to make issues it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Post by Red Wings GM on Aug 4, 2015 20:15:59 GMT
I agree with Whalers on this one, I was under the assumption that the full salary of these players counted. I would like to have it started immediately as well and I think we should make the switch over to general fanager. A lot better than hockeybuzz.
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Post by Penguins GM (Pat) on Aug 4, 2015 20:20:24 GMT
Dan, the only way you would have gotten PK would have been if you picked him as your captain over Malkin so you're being a little hyperbolic in that respect, but I get that you're trying to highlight a greater point.
As for everything else, I don't feel right voicing an opinion on what should happen because the outcome is most pertinent to me imo. I will say I was assuming PK would cost me $8m against my cap all along.
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 4, 2015 20:35:41 GMT
Dan, the only way you would have gotten PK would have been if you picked him as your captain over Malkin so you're being a little hyperbolic in that respect, but I get that you're trying to highlight a greater point. As for everything else, I don't feel right voicing an opinion on what should happen because the outcome is most pertinent to me imo. I will say I was assuming PK would cost me $8m against my cap all along. I picked my captain last and Phil Kessel at 6 million in a league where goals are more valuable than assists is quite close to Malkin at 9.5. Lucic is definitely not picked this late at 3 million. If that salary sticks I am definitely using it as an example for all my signings lol.
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Post by Oilers GM (Julian) on Aug 4, 2015 20:47:40 GMT
Lets open this for voting (All GMs): Players contracts will be in accordance to their individual contract cap hit as opposed to their team cap hit. (E.g. Lucic here and here)
Upon approval of this trade General Fanager will become our source for contracts. Rule change will come into effect immediately as soon as majority (13 approvals) are met. (Contracts already issued via hockeybuzz are not subject to change)
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Post by Habs GM (Loïk) on Aug 4, 2015 20:50:13 GMT
I approve Julian's proposal.
1-0
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 4, 2015 20:51:28 GMT
Misread, disapprove 2-2
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Post by Penguins GM (Pat) on Aug 4, 2015 20:58:20 GMT
Approve 3-0
Actually I picked last.
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Post by Blues GM (Trent) on Aug 4, 2015 21:11:42 GMT
Disapprove 3-1
Reason stated above.
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 4, 2015 21:44:31 GMT
I misread the post, I didn't realize the guys picked would have different rules. Changed my vote up:
2-2
Trent made a great point. Two guys should not get an advantage and others not. Either all the contracts or none of them.
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Post by Oilers GM (Julian) on Aug 4, 2015 21:55:35 GMT
It's not that they get an advantage, they followed the rules.
It's not fair to now penalize them because of a rule change after they already drafted, that's why the rule can only take effect if approved.
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 4, 2015 21:59:35 GMT
That's a fair point but I still think if some get the salary break, everyone who picks a player with retained should this season. Maybe revisit next season. I like Trent's logic here.
I know I would feel a bit weird if my star player got a huge discount while the other guys with retained salary didn't get the same break.
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Post by Oilers GM (Julian) on Aug 4, 2015 22:02:10 GMT
Next season is irrelevant. The contract given is in the hands of each GM who will then resign them with their own offers not related to real life contracts.
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 4, 2015 22:05:03 GMT
I still think we should just switch to fanager now, and all those numbers are the ones we use. Pit already thought that's what he was paying.
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Post by Islanders GM (Alex) on Aug 4, 2015 22:06:31 GMT
Approve (3-2). I've been using General Fanager to this point, so I like this idea.
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Post by Oilers GM (Julian) on Aug 4, 2015 22:09:40 GMT
Dan, we cannot punish GMs who have followed the rules.
Personally, I like the idea of following the individuals real cap hit; but the only way to go forward with the rule change is to implement it when it gets approved.
Lastly, Kessel's cap hit is $8,000,000 since PIT picked him as captain before he got traded.
Edit: PIT didn't pick Kessel after he got traded. My mistake.
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Post by WhalersGM_Dan on Aug 4, 2015 22:13:06 GMT
Dan, we cannot punish GMs who have followed the rules. Personally, I like the idea of following the individuals real cap hit; but the only way to go forward with the rule change is to implement it when it gets approved. Lastly, Kessel's cap hit is $8,000,000 since PIT picked him as captain before he got traded. What? That's crazy.
I think you are making a mistake by essentially giving a GM an advantage and then changing a rule so that no on else can take advantage of it.
EDIT: I don't know why that text is huge. Typed it on my phone. I swear I wasn't yelling...
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Post by Oilers GM (Julian) on Aug 4, 2015 22:22:07 GMT
There's no 'advantage' when GMs are following the rules... I opened the thread for voting because some GMs (including you) wanted to see contracts given as their real 'individual' contract as opposed to their 'team' contract (which we have been following thus far).
All GMs now have the chance to change this if they want to.
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Post by Penguins GM (Pat) on Aug 4, 2015 22:35:54 GMT
I actually picked Kessel after he got traded. I inherited a team that had Ekblad as the captain (who I ironically pick in the 1st round), but wanted a different captain than the one I inherited. I have PM evidence of this. I have said before I was always assuming Kessel would cost me 8 against my cap, but you can't say Lucic can go for less but Kessel can't with that reasoning.
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